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Well, biden had them. well, pence had them. and that is actually a simple, powerful message. so, i think you have all made an excellent case. and we've got to televise this trial. you've got to a least have audio so that we can hear in parts out. >> can i just say, beyond the misinformation, it sounds like a lot of legal grounds that trump can contest validly that could really undermine the case that the government is making. i mean, the crime fraud exception, which i think, you are right, nicolle, is an inflection point in getting this case charged. i did not know this until today. but when t...

I think you're right, nicolle, is an inflection point in getting this case charged. i mean i didn't know this until today, but when trump's lawyers fought that issue previously in front of judge amy berman jackson, they were not privy to every part of the government's motion or the government's argument or even the entire order from the judge. you can bet that they are going to take that fact and use it to contest the piercing of attorney-client privilege and go in front of aileen canon. >> they lost on appeal and it's done. there is something that happens in trial procedure, i'm not a lawyer,...

Argument you're going to see. my first argument would be keep all of that evidence from his attorney, evan corcoran, out. the jury should not see any of that evidence. it was not admissible. i don't care what a judge in d.c. said, i'm now in front of a new judge in florida, and my first job is to keep all of that out because it's devastating, and the jury cannot possibly see that evidence where he's trying to convince his lawyer to pluck out some documents before they go to the government. they have to keep that out. >> the crime-fraud exception, when you can pierce attorney/client privilege, ...

>> let me ask you a couple of key points in any trial and particularly in this trial. in terms of the evidence and some of the rulings that she might make. first of all, she could really delay. she could delay all of her decision making along the way. and push this thing into the general election territory where it would be potentially fatal to the prosecution or to any outcome. being overturned if he's elected. but the piece of this is decision she makes during the jury selection, decisions she makes on motions to dismiss, on whether the trump attorney's notes of the piercing of the lawyer cl...

Removed, but i don't think it will happen yet. >> let's say she has more bizarre rulings, and the 11th circuit keeps striking down the rulings, could jack smith go and ask for her removal? >> you can't get a judge removed because they are not good at their job. you can have them removed because they have a conflict, particularly familiar or financial. there's important rulings she has to make, including the piercing of attorney-client privilege decided with the d.c. judge in respect to the grand jury investigation still applies to the case before her, which would be tried. that is a big ruling...