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Bounds, they know what the truth is. >> but this is not pass interference, always a judgment call. i can't tell what it is sometimes, you have your arms through the other guy's arms, moving around the face, somehow didn't interfere with the ability to catch. if you find out the president of the united states traded public office for personal gain, you know the definition of that. >> except we have a media echo chamber. you can wake up from one ideology, left or right, and listen to your point of view all day long, never hear the other side. it is like listening, like if i switch from fox to ms...

Last sunday and made this stunning declaration on the bbc. >> if i were a mother of a suffering child, i would be the first to want -- i mean a deeply suffering child, i would be the first to want to put a pillow over its face, as i would with any suffering thing. i think the difference is that my feeling of horror, suffering is much greater than my feeling of getting rid of a couple of cells. suffering can go on for years. >> i'm sorry. that is a pretty horrifying thing. >> what? >> to say. that you would put pillow over -- >> of course i would, if i was a child i really love who had is in ag...