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Surprise you that someone of his age and rank would have this access? i think what you just heard from andrew is probably pretty accurate, which is, my guess would be so initially, when i heard about this. i assumed he worked in the vault. we call the skiff the vault in the military side of it on the pilot side or that he was like an intel troop. the fact that he was cyber leads me to believe he either had access to the vault or, as andrew suggested he had access to those systems, but likely was not necessarily given the ability to see that he just knew how to do it. that's quite possible. we ...

Were just talking to captain tillman about it, as a pilot you have a remarkable responsibility to your crew and to your aircraft. what were you thinking? because you had figured out before you got to gander that something was under attack. it could have been america, you believed it was terrorists, which means you were in danger, you and your passengers were in danger. tell me about the pilot side of your brain and what it was doing then. >> well, i'm not sure that we thought of that at the moment, and the primary reason is that we weren't seeing any of the images that y'all saw on tv. we didn...