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You can see, pinned joaquin s father, manuel oliver to the ground and arrested him outside of the hearing room while his wife and a crowd looked on. manuel and patricia oliver joined me now they re also the co founders of the gun safety nonprofit changed the ref. guys thank you so much for being here. manuel, what was happening there? what were we seeing? uh well, you see me getting arrested and, um, but wars and that is that we were seeing how how these side of the hearing was just telling us lie after lie after lie. um i think that the story is not about me getting arrested. um it s more about patricia, representing all mothers. that have solved for them. losing their son or daughter s. she was right there , um, putting her voice very loud, so these liars will know where we are and what we stand ....