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Create an environment in which they don't feel like they need to walk in and pander with you but they can walk in and give you their frank opinions. i tell people and audiences a key component of a leader is someone who understands what he doesn't know and then finds people and places them on a team who do know what he doesn't know. now, all i can think of is the danger in that recommendation, howard. because he was surrounded by well read intellectual -- what we used to call egghead people. the neocons who knew so much more about foreign policy than him but had an agenda. >> on the topic of g...

Bush, the problem with that formulation is that he didn't know what he didn't know. george w. was a profoundly incurious guy. he was almost proud of his lack of curiosity. so he couldn't balance and evaluate the expertise that was thrown at him by those people that he had around him. that was the fundamental -- that was the fundamental flaw of george w. bush's presidency. i know jeb also. and i think jeb is not that kind of guy. i think jeb is much more on the -- on the muscle to use a horse racing term. >> he knows what he knows. >> he knows what he knows. >> education. >> yeah. and he is cur...

Amount george w. bush had at this minute to his re-election. we had a letter, obama sent out a letter saying i would be l be the first president in modern history to be outspent in his re-election campaign. take a look at the numbers. may 2019 for the obama campaign. raised a little more then $39 million spent $44.5 million. you see spent 113.9% than it took in, in may. the totals, they still have cash, what they raised and spent overall in 2011-2019 cycle. let's compare that with mitt romney in may 2012. raised $23.4 million. spent $15.6 million. there is the percentage. the total of 2011-201...

Making everyone jealous at home. the politics surrounding the infrastructure plan, "the wall street journal" reports the trillion-dollar building plan, 2 trillion in direct federal spending, lots more coming from private investors. smart strategy, does that get it off the ground? >> i imagine so. but the big problem is eventually all the bills come due. and for a republican party that has made deficits such a big deal -- >> but not the task bill. >> that's just it. they have taken $4 trillion off the table there and another trillion off there. then there's all the hurricane spending you have. ...