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I cleaned it, restripped it of all the old finish on it. and i put new dye on it. dyeing it black. in here it takes me four months to do a saddle. i will be 70 in a couple months. i've been in 24 years this june, doing life without. i got a violent crime. this is my sanity here. you know, getting up here, working. you can get your mind off of what prison is and just relax. i just enjoy doing this. it's therapeutic for me. >> donald pippin meets with dr. holbrook for the last time before he's released from holman. >> hey. mr. pippin, how are you doing today? good to see you. >> i wrote my aunt....

I think the black beard is the most fascinating. somewhere this guy is in this compound getting his beard all ready for television, showing it black, because in a minute, we will show you osama bin laden not ready for primetime. a much more candid osama bin laden that i don't think the world has seen in nearly a decade. i think that will be the next one. >> you wonder if the dyeing, if it's as simple as vanity or it means trying to look consistent over the years because there has been such a great time that he has been doing these tapes. >> reporter: there are so many rumors about him being il...

Point is accurate. why is it black, white or anything else? it's either you believe in conception and obviously if you take -- do abort that conception or somewhere in the stage between the birth, it's a very difficult, very personal decision. obviously the president is pro-choice. santorum is a pro-life leader. more and more of the debate will take on, but the what has no place here is whether you're black or white. it doesn't matter who you are. i want you to weigh in. you heard donald trump say earlier he's thinking of running for president, republican presidential nomination, will decide...

Begins to make noise, that's a legitimate part of the scene. why is it african-americans must be exempt from that stream. we don't expect president obama to do it because he's a black man. we would hope he would have an extra special sensitivity but lyndon johnson dealt with the civil rights act, not a black man. president clinton was not a black man, had more people in his cabinet that president obama has. the bully pulpit that deal with americans that happen it black, that's part of the presidency, part of the political demand -- >> do you really think he's not doing that. >> he's allergic t...

Brian: so immature. ainsley: my mom was like she's not ready. a mother knows her child. it wound out -- brian: immature for a first grader. we should open up the phones. steve: i believe we should. i believe we have somebody standing by in south dakota, lawrence jones is going to be with us. he's at peggy's place. you travel down the mid-plain states, the dakotsa and down to texas and that's where you found president trump. when he was a private citizen he ran on building the wall and there's part of the wall unfortunately not enough for him. ainsley: in some places in the wall. we had a live ...