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Jacket that she wore. but your reaction and i guess in this point your reaction to her in this role. we were talking about the role of presidents throughout history, what they learn from previous presidents. what do you get from her about the context she places herself in? >> the role of first lady is one of the hardest unpaid jobs in the country. but it does frustrate me that he she's gone to africa, it's a continent of 54 countries, on taxpayer's time to sit there and wear a pith hat which has a long standing colognal narrative that is very offensive to a lot of people on the continent and a...

Context that she is in right now. but she knew what she was getting into when she took questions in the context of the kavanaugh hearing and dr. ford. so i think she went as far as i think she felt she could go. and it wasn't very far. >> right. exactly. i want to get your take on this, what critics are saying about her fashion, she obviously talks a lot, she uses her voice through her clothes in many way, and when she was on safari, in nairobi, she wore a white pect ha -- white pith hat and many people accused her of echoing european colonialism about that garb and she was asked about that th...