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Mr. hicks gave a compelling account of what happened during the course of the attack. that's important stuff for people to see and here. there is an element of this that is legitimate. as you see, a lot of it moves into politics. certainly the ongoing discussion about talking points and what i think is a real canard which is the actions of a cover-up. >> pj crowly, thank you for joining us. still ahead, from down the trail it back up. >> i'm one perfect man saved by god's grace but one who has a conviction on the importance of doing something about spending in washington, d.c. >> mark sanfor...

Thank you for your time. i appreciate it. >> you bet. >> thank you so much for joining us, pj, greatly appreciate it. >> sure. >> you heard congressman cartright there, he was waiting on the edge of his seat, boj shell, big revelation, that perhaps would have people saying, hey, we need to pause and look more. we know that state department was certainly scolded for access. we've heard a lot of this before, but was there anything game changing from the whistleblowers today, in your opinion? >> i think it is surprising that after eight months we are arguing over talking points. we did lose four ...