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He wanted. so you sort of saw him return to home base with this totally despicable call to ban muslims. >> absolutely. he attempted to have this kumbaya meeting with he claimed over 100 black pastors at trump tower. it quickly came out that many of these people didn't endorse them, the number was much smaller than they said it was. and so he returned to the fire and brimstone rhetoric. i think dave's bringing up a really interesting point, that people are really upset about the media. they're really under siege. and that's created a situation where donald trump is kind of this icon that they c...

Frustrated with politics. and that was why nothing -- the media said -- that trump said back at them, nothing made them think he can't do it. one woman said and i quote in the article, he says things that might sound crazy but once he explains himself they make a lost sense. the people say it sounds crazy they don't care, they're ready to see how he spins his way out of it. >> he sort of did try to do a positive story last week and roll out the endorsement of these black pastors and it basically backfired and didn't give him the kind of attention he wanted. so you sort of saw him return to hom...

Cafe in paris and having guns pulled out on them. so it does bring it a little bit closer to home. >> interesting. >> we've seen more and more of these situations and these instances happen. and i do think it's important to call it what it is. and isis has taken it to a whole new level. >> well, with that i would agree with you, the last part. katie packer, thank you very much. joining me now, dave weigel, national political correspondent for the "washington post" and hunter walker, national correspondent for iu news. both you gentlemen have been doing your own reporting on the trump phenomeno...

The article, he says things that might sound crazy but once he explains himself they make a lost sense. the people say it sounds crazy they don't care, they're ready to see how he spins his way out of it. >> he sort of did try to do a positive story last week and roll out the endorsement of these black pastors and it basically backfired and didn't give him the kind of attention he wanted. so you sort of saw him return to home base with this totally despicable call to ban muslims. >> absolutely. he attempted to have this kumbaya meeting with he claimed over 100 black pastors at trump tower. it ...

In everyday life. we didn't have people ten years ago flying planes into every cafe on every corner. two weeks ago we had people just sitting enjoying coffee at a cafe in paris and having guns pulled out on them. so it does bring it a little bit closer to home. >> interesting. >> we've seen more and more of these situations and these instances happen. and i do think it's important to call it what it is. and isis has taken it to a whole new level. >> well, with that i would agree with you, the last part. katie packer, thank you very much. joining me now, dave weigel, national political correspo...