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Concern, and for some communities real palpable acute fear is being more aggressive on ghost guns and illegal guns means more aggressive policing of communities of color. is there any evidence that more departments like the one in albany are learning to do one without the other, if they're getting better at it? >> i think there is evidence. i mean, we can just look at new york. mayor adams and the commissioner are talking about going back to plain clothesed policing but there are directions in how this needs to be done from the technology used, body cameras to tighter supervision. we also see ...

They haven't had the help to get better. this is a chronic relapsing condition. people need help lots of times. we have, as a society, told them that if they relapse, they fail. we've sent all the wrong messages. so people don't want to continue to suffer. >> reporter: the chief knows this because he lives this. you were a plainclothesed narcotics detective for some time. you saw these people. i mean, you still see these people, but you really saw them up close, people who were addicted to heroin, who were living that life. >> we had a mom that was a heroin addict for years. she had a 2-year-o...

Country still doesn't know who he is. come january when the stakes are high and mean something, that dr. carson will surge ahead of mr. trump and he'll be in the best position to when the city states and the gop nomination. >> we shall see, armstrong williams, as you would say. >> we shall see. >> thank you very much. there's a family grieving in florida. they're demanding answers, their son, a church musician was 235i9ally shot by a plain clothesed officer. police say he was arm. we'll talk to the family attorney, next. what if one piece of kale

Plainclothesed officers milling with the crowd, trying to kind of get a sense of the crowd, look out for anybody who may seem out of place, anybody who may not be as excited as everybody else around them, anybody with a backpack. in new york, certainly, and i know the chief of police here in washington, d.c., they have trained for any kind of potential and role-played out any kind of potential vulnerabilities for this pope. >> absolutely. and i'm just having this -- >> reporter: here where i am -- just want to say security has i- been very tight. the popemobile is supposed to come down constit...

Productive. blake asked for the meeting after he was mistakenly detaned about i a plain clothesed officer who slammed blake to the ground thinking he was an identity thief. blake does have some things we would like to see happen to that officer. we'll talk more about that when mayor de blasio joins us next hour. j-e-t-s, jets, jets, jets, 20-7 spanking over the indianapolis colts monday night. showcase for the jet defense. aka mean green. intercepting andrew luck three times. could have done it five times. they dropped them out of mercy. five turnovers in all. ruining the colts primetime hom...