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Members are beyond expecting a candidate to sort of dutifully check every box. any serious person mitt romney would govern in a more conservative way than chris christie? i doubt that. >> i got a chance to talk to people sort of at the republican edge of politics and they like herman cape. we don't understand how is herman cain up in the ranks of these people, it just doesn't ke since but they like him and think that the 999 plan is coherent they underand it it. a warm personality. they like his surviving cancer story. they see in him an edge and at the moment we haven't talked about the democ...

Major black audience, the congressional black caucus and scolding them because his policies have failed the entire country. that is more insulting to me rather than using the term brain wash. it is their only weapon to try and silence me because i'm a conservative. it is simply not going to work. >> chris: couldn't it be that african americans haven't been brain washed they have made up their mind clear headed as you made up their mind about what is best for the country and what is best for them. >> anecdoteally i run into people and share my 999 plan with them. some black people that i run in...

To be a historian, dude. missed that one. rick perry looked like a deer in the headlights at times. >> we're sitting on this treasure-trove of energy in this country. and i don't need 999, we don't need any plan to pass congress. we need to get a president of the united states that is committed to passing the types of regulations, pulling the regulations back, freeing this country to go develop the energy industry that we have in this country. i can promise you that we do and we'll create an environment in this country where the manufacturing will come back to this country. >> now, you have to...

Hinging the whole campaign on his 999 plan. >> 999 will pass. and it is not the price for pizza. because it has been well studied and well developed. it starts with unlike your proposals throwing out the current tax code. >> how does he know it's going to pass? the democrats would never put a 9% sales tax on the poorest americans. to cain's credit, though, he has other candidates quoting his plan. >> once you get a new revenue stream, you're never going to get rid of it. and one thing i would say is when you take the 999 plan and you turn it upside down, i think the devil's in the details. >> ...

>> we're sitting on this treasure-trove of energy in this country. and i don't need 999, we don't need any plan to pass congress. we need to get a president of the united states that is committed to passing the types of regulations, pulling the regulations back, freeing this country to go develop the energy industry that we have in this country. i can promise you that we do and we'll create an environment in this country where the manufacturing will come back to this country. >> now, you have to admit that rick perry has gotten better with his bullet points. that was just generic talk right th...