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Doesn't make for a good movie. but if you don't plan the risk out of it, if you don't rehearse the risk out of it, then you're going to fail on the mission. but you've got to be prepared to take those risks or you're just never going to make that leap in life that you need to make to be a great leader, or i think a great person in that story you have. there is another model you use, which is, you know, famous one. no plan survives the contact with the enemy. but you point out that that became crucial in the bin laden raid that having plan b and plan c absolutely well, as you know, plan a did n...

Soon as the first helicopter came in it lost lift. that careened off into the animal pen. and now the second helicopter landed outside the compound. so all of a sudden the entire plan that we had built plan a and had gone to hell in a handbasket. now we had to execute. plan b and plan c and plan d and but we had planned accordingly. so we were prepared to flex as we needed to in order to accomplish the mission. that was that. you know, three quarters of the time spent on the whiteboard making sure you had a secondary plan. um the you know the most important chapters . i would say the most impo...

And you your your example of that story is the bin laden raid which was a very risky thing to do. it was, but the one thing that i bring out in there is it's important to take risk personal risk professional risk , but you want it to be calculated risk. you know the one thing they never show on the movies or talked about in the books is that three quarters of our time as navy seals are spent on a whiteboard during the planning and the rehearsing it doesn't make for a good movie. but if you don't plan the risk out of it, if you don't rehearse the risk out of it, then you're going to fail on the...

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Senate in 2024 we know the democrats are on the defense, defending more than 20 seats including three in states donald trump easily won in 2020. two of them west virginia's joe manchin and montana's jon tester haven't decided if they'll run again and it could put the democrats' current one-seat majority in even more jeopardy. they talked about all of that with manu raju who is also here with us. manu, they're facing some really tough decisions. they are plan a, b, and c for the democrats. >> yes, a really difficult map. the democrats are defending 23 seats. republicans just 11. there are very ...