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Since some rescuers got to them to get them out they have gotten some food and water and kept going. we reached that critical stage. >> trying to get enough water out of the caves, to walk the majority of the personnel. they have strength to go 5 km through rocks and under things. plan b is to dive and walk them through a portion where the waters are low. plan c seems to be weight four months for monsoon season to end, they stay in the cave with all their supplies and walk out. ed: monsoon season is supposed to be this weekend and once that happens the rains are so intensive they won't be able...

Thank you. joining us to discuss this, john kirby, diplomatic analyst. thank you for being with us. the big question here is the secretary of state is talking tough on iran. that's expected. the real question that michelle alluded to this, how tough will they be on europe? will the united states impose sanctions on european countries if they continue to trade? >> great question, john. we don't know the answer to that. we also don't know the answer to the other question, how tough will russia get on the u.s. in return for sanctions that the u.s. may levy against european banks, institutions, ...

And so as trump looks ahead to 2020, like he has an even bigger microphone that his pay walls go up in one of our establishment media organizations, conservatives, the choir even more likely to be pushed in to a place where they're going to hear talking points and hear the president's message including the fake news mantra reverberate. >> shannon, obviously the president is getting a lot of help from the media pushing back against the mueller probe. when you talk to rudy giuliani for this report, he talks about we have a plan b and a plan c if this doesn't work, this being the one-year anniver...

Investigations for incidents, not like this, but other incidents. so what recommendations would you be putting forward if you were sitting here sort of in that conversation? >> well, first off, they need to look to see how to make sure they provide secure power to the airport. you know, it's ironic, and i just recently visited one of our largest package delivery services in their hub. and they have arrangements for massive backups for power so they can control boxes, but yet the largest airport in the country has no means of backing up and providing power to make sure that the passengers are s...

Very much open and urgent, you run the risk of opening up another file that was now closed. without a plan b, functional plan b, i just do not see in the president's national security team to the man agrees why abandon planning? >> so gail, on north korea and whether there's a plan a, plan b, plan c, you know, what does the president mean when he says, you know, leads us to only one thing? i mean, is there a real strategy that he's speaking of? >> you know, it depends on who you talk to inside the administration. there are definitely high level conversations going on. but is there one conversa...