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Need jobs and the infrastructure bill is important. people are going through a heat wave in arizona may feel that in fact, this is a good thing for the environment. >> congressman, let us ask you about this in the last few seconds that we have here. what about the budget reconciliation proposal? this is being championed by bernie sanders. it's a six trillion dollar budget here. do you support? it >> yes, i do. i think that the budget reconciliation effort is a good one. we won't be able in many cases to count on ten republicans. they are intransigent. i think that we must move america forward....

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But i'm going to protect this filibuster. we're looking at good solutions. >> what he's saying he's open to is the idea of reducing that number from 60 to something less as in the past it happened when the number was 67. so maybe if all of a sudden it's a joe manchin compromise that's on the receiving end of a no vote from all the republicans, maybe there's movement on the filibuster. >> you know, at some point, michael, it's going to come down to this question. is it going to be the filibuster or democracy? because it's looking like, as i count the votes in the senate, that you can't have bot...

So if you're able to repeat a lie again and again, people will continue to believe it, and what is so disappointing is that politicians, elected leaders are complicit in this rather than, you know, being independent and sort of being those protectors of democracy over party. they are willing to go along with the lie in pursuit of power. >> i'm not defending any of the conduct, but when i look at their faces, i think they believe they are washington, you know, crossing the delaware in revolutionary time. natasha and charlie, as always, good to see you. >> thanks, mike. cnn also has new detail...