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'87, '88 in northern ireland. >> it is a general consensus among those who study the northern ireland issue that the good friday agreement might have happened earlier, but for the recruiting tools that these hunger strikes and the way it was dealt with provided. >> we have a laundry list of resentments against the west. >> certainly. if you look at what osama bin laden said about his resentments. u.s. troops in saudi arabia. if we're looking at recruiting tools, we'd have to go through a list of 100. >> for me, let's put aside the moral -- it's a powerful image in the mind if nothing else. let...

Moral -- it's a powerful image in the mind if nothing else. let's put aside the moral question. is it good for our country to do this? it is not, it is a recruiting tool where it is going to last for some time, tactically we need a plan b. >> mary, your final word on this. >> i do not believe it's a recruiting tool at all. the reality is, this comes out of a perverted interpretation of the islamic religion that is very commanding of the minds of these people. this is why they're doing, that's what jihad is all about. i bet you can search all this material for these dagastan terrorists, but you...