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401(k) is crashing or you are behind on your mortgage. people who don't want to face reality, they do something known as milling in disaster situations, they look around and see, is anything bad happening? gather information. but they don't take action. what joshua's describing in china, that sense of urgency, people survive when they feel the urgency and when they move toward plan a. and if plan a. fail, they take plan b. urgency is an incredibly important part of survival. people who survive challenges feel the urgency and it's people who want things to stay the way they are -- >> i have a m...

401(k) is crashing or you are behind on your mortgage. people who don't want to face reality, they do something known as milling in disaster situations, they look around and see, is anything bad happening? gather information. but they don't take action. what joshua's describing in china, that sense of urgency, people survive when they feel the urgency and when they move toward plan a. and if plan a. fail, they take plan b. urgency is an incredibly important part of survival. people who survive challenges feel the urgency and it's people who want things to stay the way they are -- >> i have a m...

Sense of urgency. there is very few places where you find people feeling that. in beijing, it's such an exciting city right now. the intellectual life is electric with people trying to figure out how they are going to manage this tremendous project forward. they are thinking the unthinkable. see, we seem to just be -- you tell me, ben, survivors don't do this. they -- we seem to just be holding on. just hold on. just hold on. don't let it collapse. hold on. survivors say, let the damn thing collapse. let's go. that's the exit. that's the way out. or that's the way to the future. we seem to be ...

Reinvigorated with that sense of urgency? >> typically, it takes a person in a position of authority, literally a flight attendant, literally captain chesley sullenberger, literally a person of power to tell the 80% of us who don't know what to do, who are bewildered in a stupor, waiting for someone to tell us which way to go, it takes a person or a group of people, 10% us, 10% of us know what to do, 80% of us don't. and 10% of us do the wrong thing. it needs a group of leaders. >> it is fascinating that -- i mean, bruce, i think, i think you have been very fair to ben and he uses george washi...

The culture to -- to be reinvigorated with that sense of urgency? >> typically, it takes a person in a position of authority, literally a flight attendant, literally captain chesley sullenberger, literally a person of power to tell the 80% of us who don't know what to do, who are bewildered in a stupor, waiting for someone to tell us which way to go, it takes a person or a group of people, 10% us, 10% of us know what to do, 80% of us don't. and 10% of us do the wrong thing. it needs a group of leaders. >> it is fascinating that -- i mean, bruce, i think, i think you have been very fair to ben ...