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Be having with each other. >> joining us now, joe kleine and author of the new book "charlie mike -- a true story of heroes who brought their mission home." joe kleine, they are running as if hillary already has this nomination. who looks like her most difficult challenge in the general election if she does get the nomination? >> well, i think that it would be a combination of candidates from florida and ohio. if it were rubio or bush and kasich, i think that that's a pretty formidable ticket. but right now, bush is where john kerry was, you might remember, at this point in 2003. and donald tr...

I don't know. i mean, i don't know whether the planet wing nut wing of the republican party is going tok dominant in the end. if they are, hillary clinton is your next president. but if they are, they put together a ticket of serious conservative governors, like bush and kasich, or rubio and kasich. then i think they have a shot. >> and alex wagner, the problem with serious governor bush is that he's just not performing on the public stage of this campaign. >> he is just not performing you would period. law yens, i like that we keep giving bush this sort of open door. i'm not quite sure why. >...