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Was in some of the meetings when it comes to secretary of state. that doesn't seem to be much of a separation. >> it really calls into question whether there will be a wall and how you construct such a wall when the trump family is also interconnected in this business. and does it really pass the plausibility test that he's not going to discuss his business with his children. let's assume they find some way to construct this wall. it does not take away the fundamental problem with conflict of interest, which is ownership. regardless of whether they have a wall and they discuss things or don't,...

That. so that's a complicated -- >> i want to give dawn zimmer a chance to also respond to the denials. this has now moved quite rapidly. she says, i am genuinely disappointed that lieutenant governor gaudano would live up to her promise that she would deny linking hoboken's application for sandy hazard mission funding with expediting private development project. i stand by my word, and i will continue to answer any questions asked to me by the u.s. attorney's office. this is a massive escalation in terms of the legal stakes and ramifications, when someone is sitting down with a u.s. attorney,...

People don't necessarily like him, but he's passed the kind of presidential plausibility test. pawlenty sort of has the aspect of the guy who's just gotten a chance to sit at the grown-ups' table, and people see him as a nice guy, but not necessarily -- he hasn't passed the point where they can imagine him being president. he needs the space and time to be able to do that. sarah palin sucks up some of his oxygen. >> i want to react to something you wrote this week, alex, and talk more from the point of view of president obama and how he fairs. you wrote -- "newt gingrich is the devil in the re...

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In the re-surveys. romney was up 5% against his group. cain was down just one poin. but gingrich climbed five and perry dropped four. so, people are trying to gain experience on these candidates too, as well as looking for growth experience. so this is a learning process. what are the voters learning now that they're looking for? what do they want besides an alternative to mitt romney, at least? >> i think they're looking for somebody that can unite the conservative wing of the party and yet also be credible. michele bachmann was interesting because of her conservative rhetoric that caused a l...