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It was that they were starting to get murdered, he himself was allegedly being paid by foreign governments in secret. i only know what i read in the spy books and what i read in the indictments. but from a national security perspective, this seems very bad. it also seems very, very unusual. joining us now is someone who really does know these things, and not just from spy novels. mary mccord served as the national top official at the department of justice. she is an executive director for the institute for constitutional protection at georgetown law school. it is real pressure and honor to hav...

Dealing, somebody who is not an expert and a lay observer, the dictionary definition of somebody using their public position, their access to government resources, potentially even their actions as government officials, to set themselves up for private gain. is that fair? in terms. layman's understanding of that. and as an extension of that, is this potentially illegal behavior? >> well, that was obviously one of the top questions we were asking ourselves, rachel, as david kirk dlpatrick and i reported on this and what we discovered from talking to ethics expert, this is quite legal. if we as ...

January 6th are not subject to executive privilege. that's basically everything that they ask ivanka trump for. and the other thing that jumps out to me is they're putting ivanka trump in a really difficult position by laying out all of this evidence. we know what evidence they have and we know how relevant and important her testimony is. so, if she is going to refuse to testify, based on some fictional reason, she looks a lot worse because it's very clear that she's an important witness. strategically i thought it was a very interesting and smart move by the committee. >> part of me, watching...

Control of the national security council in the past, thank you for being with us. >> thank you rachel. >> i realize it was a provocative comparison in talking about iran, talking about north korea. and global fears about nations like that getting access to nuclear nations, comparing a nuclear armed nations to those rogue states. but it's a provocative claim to make. that said, russia is in effect acting as a rogue state now while referencing its access to nuclear weapons in a way that makes it seem like he is threatening to use them that is how it seems to me to me as a lay observer. as someo...

Like melissa slotkin representing honestly red districts that are very suburban, hard to hold onto, and you would have trouble finding a person from nadler's district who would see the same way as just about anyone for melissa slotkin's district. >> you know, ramesh, there was a time when the republican base would get frustrated, you haven't done enough for obama. what is play observer on the other side. you have seen a republican base revolt on its own party. >> so we have already reached this situation where last election three-quarters of democratic voters wanted to move forward on impeachm...