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She was removed from her position. so there are some interesting, unanswered questions here that definitely seem to link back to giuliani and link back to some of the characters who are in this whole impeachment. >> let me get david chalian. if you read this 21-page indictment it is very specific in allegations that hundreds of thousands were illegally funneled for political purposes by these guys. i don't know if david can hear me. can you hear me, david? >> reporter: oh, sorry, rewolf. i didn't realize that was to me. it is a pay for play scheme that is alleged here. these twos so thias of r...

I was making the point that a 6% loan above market break, you have a lot of people around joe biden, you are saying you believe benefited from their association with the guy who rose to be vice president but by your extending it to the vice president's brother does it indicate he is facing impeachment charges in the house that you are trying to discredit or knockout one of his main rivals? >> i'm trying to get somebody to investigate massive corruption in the obama administration. a pay for play scheme that goes back to the early days in which joe biden's brother james biden, i didn't point ou...

We were talking about the second mortgage. i was making the point that a 6% loan above market break, you have a lot of people around joe biden, you are saying you believe benefited from their association with the guy who rose to be vice president but by your extending it to the vice president's brother does it indicate he is facing impeachment charges in the house that you are trying to discredit or knockout one of his main rivals? >> i'm trying to get somebody to investigate massive corruption in the obama administration. a pay for play scheme that goes back to the early days in which joe bid...

Transcript that doesn't underlie what they said initially. i didn't find anything egregious here. he's talking about everything here, congrats, blah, blah, blah. it was just a normal conversation that you would expect between the leader of our nation and the leader of your-- the ukraine nation. >> part of the controversy here as well, the whistleblower implies there was a lockdown of the conversation itself. that it was, you know, scandalous enough they were concerned enough that it had to be put in a special system and the complaint talks a lot about rudy guiliani. he also, his name was menti...

Be an enormous pay for play scheme. not just one but several in the obama administration, andon it goes back to hillary and the clinton foundation. the 8 million from the oligarc. >> laura: why the state department? why not work with the doj and the fbi as we said before? why work with them? >> what did i say about the fbi? for a year and a half they were trying to get these -- but information to the fbi they weren't interested. they even hired a lawyer in america. they even gave it to several u.s. attorneys. when i first got this, i said to my colleague that this is a really sad day. i don't ...