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And that's why they are trying to flip him and get him to talk about what he knows about what the president might have done during the election regarding trying to keep things secret, regarding former playboy models as you know. and his lawyer has reached out to former watergate counsel who flipped on nixon. he says there's parallels to their stories and again that's troubling for the president. back to the times big scoop over the weekend that mcgahn has spoken for 30 hours with mueller's team. here's some pushback on that coming from former spokes dszman for the president's legal team. here'...

>> harris: president trump is going after his former attorney michael cohen whose lawyer leaked tape about buying the rights to a playboy models stor story. the president tweeted this. "what kind of lawyer would take a client such as this, is this our first? why was the tape so abruptly terminated while i was presumably saying such positive things? "listen to that recording for yourself, listen carefully. >> i've spoken to alan about how to set the whole thing up, yes. all the stuff, you never know with that company, i'm all over that. when it comes to the financing,

Will need to decipher what was being said here. as a career prosecutor, we would never just introduce a tape into evidence and say, ladies and gentlemen, there you have it, conclusive proof. it is but one piece of the puzzle. it's a pretty important piece, a powerful piece. if we take a step back from debating who said cash, who said check, what it all means, and we kind of figure out what is the larger context, well, the larger context here is that michael cohen is plainly a political fixer because this is very close in time to the election. they're talking about poll numbers and damaging inf...

It is gibberish most of the time. the stuff he doesn't tweet about is the stuff he cares about. he doesn't tweet about playboy models, doesn't tweet about stormy daniels, doesn't tweet very much about the people he's trying to take their security clearances away. every once in a while he does that, but he tries to do something he did today. but the stuff that scares him -- he doesn't tweet about paul manafort very much, right? the people that are a threat to trump, there has been a lot of panic over the last 18 months. but right now you really feel the walls closing in. i always think when he'...

Him. he said there is nothing strategic about trump's bully tweet. when he feels weak and vulnerable he lashes out in an effort to recover his sense of self, which is so fragile and easily wounded. >> i often scare people on television when i talk about donald trump being dark and paranoid and ominous. i always think when he's tweeting about something, i shouldn't worry about something. it is gibberish most of the time. the stuff he doesn't tweet about is the stuff he cares about. he doesn't tweet about playboy models, doesn't tweet about stormy daniels, doesn't tweet very much about the peopl...