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Change industrial complex with billions and billions of dollars at stake. people are getting really, really, really rich off the climate change issue. i'm not saying there is climate change or not. by the way, when you say stuff like forest fires in california were caused by climate change, that's why there's so much skepticism. >> there's not so much skepticism. >> can i get in here. what you are debating is sort of flat world versus -- >> you're the flat earther. >> heart in world versus round world. there is no doubt about this. nobody -- i haven't been able to find a legitimate scientist w...