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>> laura: again, back to the point i made and the angle. they do not want to have a debate on these issues because they can't debate it. all they can say is you are racist. you are xenophobic. you are dehumanizing. you're cruel. you're mean. that's all they have. because you get down to the facts, they are putting americans at risk and trump and his policies are actually geared, dr. siegel, toward keeping our people safe. that's his first and most solemn obligation, to keep the american people safe and he's trying to do that. he's not perfect. none of us are. but he's trying to do that. >> lau...

Same. each announcement, the air gets a little bit thinner, doesn't it? >> maybe. i don't think we know what's to come yet. everybody has to find their own space in this race. i was very impress with senator harris's rollout over the weekend and how she did it and her timing. i think people are trying to think through the logistics and tactics of that so their message breaks through about what their space is. >> michael, what have you learned so far from those that announced? >> what i've learned is they are shaky on what they are footing politically and their message. >> who is least shaky so...

Right? when that meeting happened, the 2016 campaign was just getting started. it had only been two months since trump floated down the escalator at trump tower to announce his candidacy. and over the summer of 2015, the campaign was trying to get its footing in key primary states. remember, trump was playing catchup because he was the political outsider. so it was a very small group of people around him. remember that? right? family business. who were the big players in the campaign at the time? well, trump was still working with his first campaign manager. that was corey lewandowski. hope hi...

Identifying those stories so they could be purchased and their publication avoided. so it's not just cohen who knew about the deal. there was at least one other member of the campaign who did, and that's all we know. so who could that person be? okay. so let's think about this, right? when that meeting happened, the 2016 campaign was just getting started. it had only been two months since trump floated down the escalator at trump tower to announce his candidacy. and over the summer of 2015, the campaign was trying to get its footing in key primary states. remember, trump was playing catchup be...

Because they're not self-regulating. >> yeah. and i think it's also worth noting this idea of the business, is it fundamentally broken, another question we have to ask as we have these questions abouteth incompetencii think so and the future of technology. >> facebook has said in the past they welcome some kind of regulation, don't they? >> yeah, but i think a lot of this has taken a long time and taken a lot of bad things to happen for them to get to this point. and, of course, i think they want the right kind of regulation at this point. and i think there's a lot of pressure right now on the...