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Committee. let them do their job, let them investigate. i'm not at all concerned that democrats and republicans in looking at the facts won't come up with something that's very reasonable. >> playing devil's advocate, they were told that the fbi reports given to cnn were wrong and they wanted to get that out there. >> you just don't reach out to the people that were investigating, period. but let me just say, sean spicer, you talk about this fake news and he banned certain media outlets from his gaggle. you have to ask, what is going on underneath all of this? and truly, this question about th...

Foundation had the same arrangements that donald trump and his children had now with billion dollar businesses impeachment proceedings would be brewing. that's underlying thing. how in the world is this president going to get away with what is beyond a conflict of interest, it is abhorrent. >> i would say not yet fully resolved. going to t going to continue to come up. when you're president of the united states, don't see this different than showing up at inauguration or first 100 days. he's president of the united states, his sons wanted to mark the political moment. it's a big deal. >> it's ...

I get that. what i worry about is some sort of doubling down and deciding somehow we've got to make some big time change in a policy that has served our interest very well for almost 40 years. >> richard haass, i completely understand that. playing devil's advocate because after he took the phone call, there were conservatives and others that said, wait a second, you gave him $2 billion last year in military equipment. you can do that but you can't take a phone call? explain to americans that don't understand this sort of careful dance we've been making between the mainland and taiwan and the ...

Search warrant just to be sure because they were looking at the e-mails to see what anthony weiner did with that laptop. just to be sure they're getting a separate or i guess have gotten a separate search warrant the look at the rest of it. >> pete williams, amazing reporting today. thanks for making time tonight. i appreciate it. >> you bet. >> joining me matthew miller, the former director of public affairs under attorney general eric holder as well as former michigan governor jennifer granholm who is co-chair of hillary clinton's transition team. matt, let me start with you. we had you back...

>> go ahead, play the man. >> i'm not playing the man. playing devil's advocate. she has said recently in a "time" magazine article about carly fiorina saying she and carly shouldn't get a pass because they're women. she wants to be treated as a candidate on the stage. did she really need to bring up that she is a woman, that she would be the first woman president? >> i just don't understand why this is really an issue. she is a woman. we all know she's a woman. we all know she would be the first at the male president. we all know -- the fact she is a woman arguably didn't make an impact on wh...