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Officials in the department of energy on the merits. >> should government be playing venture capitalist to try to prop these industries up? >> well, we believe this loan program is very important. by the way, it was a program that was supported by president bush. so there's been support in both parties. many of the members of congress who offered criticism themselves were lobbying for funds for companies like this. so, i think the order -- listen you see what's happening in other countries. you know, huge investments. in this clean energy sector. we have to do everything we can. and by the way...

Here? >> well, let's step back for a minute. we have to win this race. you know. we -- if we don't win the clean energy race, in terms of technology, innovation and jobs, and see it to other countries we're not going to have the sense. it would be like us ceding the automotive race or the internet or computer race. >> in dire economic straits government should be playing venture capitalist? >> these are going to be in terms of solar, alternative values. now we take very seriously the fact that one of these loans did not work. that's why appointed herb allison who did a bunch of the investigati...

Program were made by career officials in the department of energy on the merits. >> should government be playing venture capitalist to try to prop these industries up? >> well, we believe this loan program is very important. by the way, it was a program that was supported by president bush. so there's been support in both parties. many of the members of congress who offered criticism themselves were lobbying for funds for companies like this. so, i think the order -- listen you see what's happening in other countries. you know, huge investments. in this clean energy sector. we have to do every...

Important. but we also have to keep our eye on the ball. which is if we're going to have the kind of jobs where people can make, $20, $22, $25 an hour on high-tech manufacturing in this country, we've got to make progress in the clean energy sector. >> were campaign contributors involved here in terms of their projects that ultimately forced the government's hand? >> absolutely not. these decisions about the loan program were made by career officials in the department of energy on the merits. >> should government be playing venture capitalist to try to prop these industries up? >> well, we bel...

Department-sponsored loans from the government to help develop them. congress has said they want documents. perhaps they'll subpoena documents. the administration is now investigating. did taxpayers get ripped off here? >> well, let's step back for a minute. we have to win this race, you know. we -- if we don't win the clean energy race, in terms of technology, innovation and jobs, and see it to other countries we're not going to have the sense. it would be like us ceding the automotive race or the internet or computer race. >> in dire economic straits government should be playing venture capi...