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1963 march on washington for jobs and freedom. with the support of giants like martin luther king junior, ella baker, and others, them rustin pull together the seminal event in civil rights and american history in just seven weeks. but being an out gay man in the 1960s made rustin a target of the fbi, and some of the old guard of the movement. which meant that rustin some work was often done behind the scene. his contributions left out of history books, until now. joining me now is five-time tony award winning playwright in theater director, george c. wolf. he is the director of the upcoming film rustin. george, thank you so much for coming to the saturday show this is some unlike any other civil rights movie. the heroes are human. the language is raw, and it doesn't shy away from's homosexuality, and the conflict it caused inside the movement.
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but it is fact for me. without a shadow of a doubt, even producing the play that's on at the young vic now, beneatha's place, i was worried for a while. i was worried that those of the right or even those of the left might come after me for some of the statements or some of the debates that the play wishes to catalyse. but i'm an artist. we're here to do nothing but catalyse. i can't run in fearfrom people trying to counsel you or use... ..use your work as an agenda for theirs. i want to talk more about beneatha's place, because i was lucky enough to see it just a night or two ago. so i do want to talk about it and the issues it raises. but before we get to that, just a more general point about your writing, because you've been at it for a long time. yeah. do you see yourself as something of a provocateur? i describe myself as a political playwright, that art is my tool for change — incremental change. all you can do as an artist
this is bbc news. we'll have the headlines and all the main news stories for you at the top of the hour as newsday continues, straight after hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. what happens when art and politics collide? well, things can get ugly pretty quickly, with talk of culture wars and battles over values, identity and who gets to tell the stories that define us. if warfare is currently a dominant cultural metaphor, what does that make the artists? warriors? well, my guest is the ground—breaking playwright and artistic director of london's young vic theatre, kwame kwei—armah. in troubled times, can art be
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is catalyse the debate. and i don't see the point of me using my art if it's not to incrementally try and make the world just a little bit better. yeah, but there's a difference between catalysing a debate and putting across a very clear point of view. do you have a clear point of view on some of these issues that you just outlined, like race, justice, immigration, inequality? i absolutely do. i think as a playwright, however, myjob is to love every character that i put in any of my plays. and in order to create something dramatic, i have to make sure that all viewpoints are covered. and so whether someone sits in the far right, which is a different position to me, i still have to understand what it is i think they are saying, or what i think the land that they stand upon, what validity does it have? so, yes, kwame does have — sorry to speak about himself in the third person — does have his own political views. as a playwright, i have a point that i wish to catalyse,
at the moment here in london, you also clearly have some scepticism, some doubts about elements of the ultra—progressive, some would say "woke", mindset that we see in some liberal circles on campuses, both in the united states and the united kingdom. you create this imagined debate about african—american studies on campus. and you wrestle with the notion that white professors are now dominant in this department. you're kind of mocking it. you're almost mocking an ultra—woke agenda. well, i slightly rebuke the term "woke", and my generation was slightly before the woke generation. we used to call ourselves conscious, which literally means the same thing. that's been hijacked by the culture wars. and as far as i'm concerned, myjob as a playwright is to look at everything in totality and then pour it into the pot