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Or post trump era, which is exactly that. do enough to keep the trump vote with you but not so much you lose the independence of suburban voters. let's start with the baseline. this is one year ago. this is plus 10 for this guy. okay. this is a state virginia was once a swing state, red state, to a blue-leaning state. how did youngkin do it? step one, he found an issue. this is terry mcauliffe. he said i don't think parents should be telling schools what to teach. he was talking about what books should be in there. glenn youngkin took this and ran with it. relentless on ads, messaging, speeche...

Poll having it dead heat. there was a fox poll a week ago that had mcauliffe up by five points but still very close. >> much closer than we've seen in the last, what, four or 4 1/2, 5 years, the era of donald trump. that's part of what's going on. virginia was much more competitive prior to donald trump becoming the republican nominee for president in 2016 and i think part of what's happening is virginia's going back to where it was, a more competitive state, virginia was a plus 9, plus 10 democratic state because of donald trump. republicans are trying to recapture some of that momentum they ...

Well, if donald trump was so bad and this wasn't rigged, why did the republicans win and do so well in the house? republicans overperformed expectations, based on the terrible polling that was out there. but it is important to remember that the house still remained democratic. and remained democratic by, you know, i think they're plus 9, plus 10. that's about the same. biden did about the same that bill clinton did in '92. did about the same, bill clinton did in '96. did much better than jfk, if you just look at the house side. biden did much better than either party when you came to the senat...

It's worth putting up again the consistency that you've referenced. no matter who the candidate is, major support from young voters at the top. gen "z." and then it sort of ticks down a little bit as you get older and older, to where against biden, trump has plus -- trump is plus 4 among the silent and older, but that's the only group he wins. same can be said for sanders, same can be said for warren, same can be said for major pete buttigieg. there's an obvious trend there. >> absolutely. this is what the country looks like when you're polling plus 10 for biden, which is the average of the po...

John edwards is a big liberal. leland: to take from that, if there's a liberal candidate that masquerades as a moderate come november of 2020, that they can win in louisiana or other states that are deep red even something like louisiana trump plus 20 -- trump plus 10. >> in 2020, leland, donald trump is going to be on the ballot and not somebody like eddy or the governor of kentucky, it'll be the real deal and donald trump is very popular in louisiana, he will win in a landslide. leland: are you worried about a place like say, pennsylvania, or michigan, that things have changed? >> no, becaus...