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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220123 10:52:00

He d come sliding up again, and he s like, so, when do i get to throw my name in the hat? and i m like, maybe never, you know? there s the door. go away. but he wouldn t go away? no. serena, a sergeant first class in the army and a self-described alpha female, was happy to have met a man who wasn t a pushover. with james and his strong personality and my strong personality, we were on the same page, and we got things were going amazing. in 2010 at james request, they entered into a covenant marriage. what s a covenant marriage? covenant marriage is recognized before god and state, and quite frankly it s a lot harder to get divorced. less than a year into their marriage, james father died, and serena says something in her husband changed. he became, she said, controlling and ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline Extra 20220221 05:44:00

she broke it off pretty quickly because she did not want to be the other person, and he didn t want to leave his family. now detective garcia had someone knew she wanted to talk with, james lapan s wife, serena. i know he s been, um fell off the marital bandwagon so to speak. serena said james had told her about the affair weeks earlier. they were going through counseling, she said, and working on the marriage. and when detective garcia asked her about the night of nick s murder her statement was exactly the same as james . they hung out together during the day. they went to bed together. they woke up together. yes. so she alibis him. yes. you wouldn t try to be covering up for him for anything? no. okay. if serena was telling the truth, james could not be the killer. as detective garcia pondered that, nick s brothers john kept up his own investigation. he mentioned lapan s name to a childhood friend. remember how tucson can ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline Extra 20220221 05:52:00

Frightening. serena recalled a disagreement in which she wanted to step away from him to check on their children. he was physically holding onto my biceps at that point in time. he was just like, we re going to finish this discussion. immediately following that, he said, the children are replaceable. we can make more. i m not. and at that, i m like, oh, you re replaceable, but not like i it s not like i can say it, you know, because at that point and if you had said it, what would have happened? i don t want to know. so i don t know want to know what would have happened. so then it became an issue of pick your battle. and the battle i picked was protect the children. which is why, she says, she turned a blind eye to her husband s affair with jessica. even when james invited jessica home for dinner. what kind of hostess did your husband expect you to be for jessica? the same hostess as anybody else. if they re invited over ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline Extra 20220221 05:59:00

We wanted to ask jessica about all of that. but she declined to be interviewed. if she committed a murder, or played a part and committing a murder, she is getting away with. we cannot find any evidence. or, she s not guilty. yes, correct. as for serena and james, and their covenant marriage. it is over now. they divorced in 2019. but serena s still worries about what effect james might still have, on her in her children s lives. will you ever be free of this? guy mom, when gots hits his off switch. james will likely stay in prison when, that happens, he was sentenced to life. kristie, who said she waited 40 years to me nick, now faces the rest of her life without him. he will always be my superman. i will always love him. that does not change. and even in the midst of mourning his brother, john ....

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline Extra 20220221 05:43:00

Around 9:00 and got up around 5:00 a. m., which would have been an hour after nick s murder. if i contact your wife, she s going to tell me this is where you were on sunday? i would hope so. okay. he pretty much answered all the questions that we had. the interview ends. but then maybe two minutes later, there was a knock on her door. and it s james. he came back, and he tells us, i basically need to tell you the truth. the truth? like a confession? well, yes, but not to murder. james lapan owned up to slipping. what was the part you were not forthcoming? jessica and i have slipped. slipped, as is had an affair with nick s ex-girlfriend, jessica stillwell. ....

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