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By the spectre of this guy who is listening to joe rogan and internalizing this bad information and making bad choices as a result, but rogen is like a weed that's sprouting up outside the ecosystem and has thrived there and has this huge audience. that's what's scary that spotify could kick him off tomorrow and it wouldn't make a dent. it wouldn't make a dent in his audience, people would listen to him and still wouldn't trust more mainstream media sources. i think that's what's really frightening to people. >> oliver, do you agree? >> i think the key thing to keep in mind is that, you know, ...

Bit. >> so when i hear on fox and friends it's all about border you're making the point for fox viewers they do care more about the border than about trump dangling pardons for rioters. you're saying to the fox audience it is about other issues. >> yes. >> that's an important point. >> and i think that it's -- you know, it's not a bad thing, you know. the border issue is important for millions of americans and so it's just a matter of who your audience is and what they're interested in and it's a difference of opinion. >> shelby and phillip, thank you both. we have amy schneider coming up, t...

We're seeing these battles all around, just on any given week we hear news about someone being banned from twitter. now you a days people are getting banned from tiktok. mostly right wing figures for violating various social media policies. all of this a massive tug of war over what content is heard and seen and where and why. let's bring back oliver darcy and bring in kat rosen field a culture writer and author who is with me now. kat, you wrote on twitter about spotify, went viral for a comment about it yesterday. tell us your point of view first about this spotify mess because it's really d...

Of war, some on the left want right wing distorters blocked from sites like youtube and twitter, some on the right want objectionable lessons blocked from schools. there are way more than two sides here and each case is unique, but think about the headlines this week about that tennessee district banning this holocaust-themed series of books. it happened a couple weeks ago, it wasn't until reporters in tennessee noticed that it became national news. look at this divide, look at this tug of war between ms and fox. the banner says book banning fever heats up in red states, the fox banner asks if...