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Administrations? >> well, i mean first i think it's worth pointing out that even if an agreement doesn't lead to eliminating nuclear weapons, it can still be worth while. so like the 1994 agreed framework, it failed in the end in 2002. but for eight years it did prevent development of new plutonium weapons. but this is far below the standard reached in the past. for example, in 1994, there were international inspectors who were on- at the military complex in north korea. there was a halt to new production of plutonium for weapons. in 2005, north korea promised to rejoin the npt, the nuclear no...

In 2002. but for eight years it did prevent development of new plutonium weapons. but this -- this is far below the standard reach in the past. for example, in 1994 there were international inspectors who were on site on the yangan military complex in north korea. in 2005 north korea promised to rejoin the mpt, not a word of that this time. >> pompeo is going to try to work all this out now the summit has happened instead of before. insort some sort of agreements before, he's going to do it afterwards. is that a possibility? >> so i think it's possible there be some genuine progress. so it may...

Is the final goal. to freeze north capability and negotiation process at this point rather than allowing it to expand furtherer. but the flil process in the united states, barack obama under criticism for being weak and with the north koreans so difficult to deal with, that's unlikely as well. at the end of the day, i think the north is going to get away with it. they're going to remain in the driver's seat and everybody else is going to be reacting. >> mike, you would be a better expert on this than i am. but i recall about three or four years ago, the north koreans claiming they had hydrogen...