Down. let's take another example we found in the state of illinois, stephen curry is a benefits analyst, he's also a financial planner. he got notification that his current health care plan -- which is a good one, very comprehensive one -- is going to be canceled. his current out--pocket maximums are $3,000. above $3,000 the insurance pays for all the expenses. to keep his premium within the current ballpark when he goes out to find a new plan, those maximums are going to rise to $12,000. and he says he's hearing a lot of the same from his clients. >> i was very happy with the plan. and i thin...