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Beijing to spy. but what type of threat is this, and how widespread do you think it is by beijing? >> this is really pocketer eric, because you have -- important, eric, because you have not a lot of students here, and only a few of them are problems. but the issue here is not so much the students, but it's the united states has allowed the ministry of state security and chinese diplomats from the embassy and the five consulates to actually work with these students surreptitiously. and it's not only just spying. it's also they've been working with these students so they demonstrate on u.s. camp...

Brainwash our students. >> well, it is the, first of all, the confucius institutes, as you point out, it's the confucius classrooms in secondary schools, and it's the chinese students and scholars association which also works on these campuses which beijing uses to surveil chinese students while they're in the united states. and, by the way, there's also branches, formal branches of china's communist party that operate on our campuses. so this is an extensive operation. it's run by the communist party, and we have allowed this to continue. and it's got to stop, as senator cruz mentioned. eric:...

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Should be asking their presidents why haven't you used american power to protect us? if. eric: you talk about american power, what about human rights? i think about otto warmbier who was so brutally tortured, beatennen and murdered. there's a proposal to name a street here in new york after otto, that is in the new york city council. has the issue of human rights kind of been swept under the rug for now and forgotten, and what is your view of that? >> well, certainly. because if you go back to the last state of the union, you've had the north korean escapee who was run over by a rail train, he...

>> you know, people are talking about the north koreans agreeing to close their reactor that produces plutonium, but that's an old reactor dating back to the early 1980s, and i think they would close it anyway because it's dangerous to operate. the two things that we really need, eric, are, first of all, a declaration of all missile and nuke facilities and, second of all, a timetable for disarmament. that, i think, is the minimum of what president trump should get at this summit, and if he doesn't get it, that would be a disappointment. eric: do you think that kim is sincere or that he actuall...