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>> are we saying anybody with a family member is not entitled to be involved with an existing law? >> do you think it's okay to use her brother as leverage and his relationship with the administration? she can use this controversial program. does she have to mention she's a kushner and her brother's part of the white house? >> i think your point is a good one but we should look at this program engeneral and in terms of family members and people in congress -- >> okay, jack. that has nothing to do with this now. that's a whole other show. >> that's the same they can. >> we're talking about jare...

Talking about. >> jared has done everything to comply with the ethics rules and the president and congress are looking at how to look over all the various visa programs and whether they are serving the purpose they were intended to. >> is that the same talking poent jack is using? >> if it is i didn't see the show before. >> i think it is subject to influence and controversy. the kushner family has benefitted. they induce mostly chinese investors to get a low rate of return in exchange for a fast