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To do, to record this conversation. if you think about the timing of that conversation with gates and the other unknown person. september 2016, a month after paul manafort left the campaign, left the campaign partially over questions about his dealings with ukrainian government officials and whether he told the truth in those dealings. clearly the content of those conversations is now known to bob mueller. he may even have the tapes of those conversations. if you look at the person, a, that's named in this indictment, this may be somebody who's already cooperating and helped mueller get to van...

I suspect that comey did not identify this as an obstruction of justice. otherwise he would have been duty bound to bring it to the attention of the justice department, and he didn't do that. >> i think that's right. but i also think -- i mean, mccabe is the actual acting director of the fbi. he is in public office. he can testify to this. the point alan made at the very beginning we're going to learn a lot more about this. there are documents which are government documents or comey dictated them on his own. they would still be government documents if he dictated them at his house in a recordi...