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Going to be talking about that. Those kinds of steps, when we are talking about a what should be a sort of whitecollar case against somebody who was the former president of the united states. But those steps are going to be needed to assure witnesses and jurors of their safety so that they can do their job and not be intimidated from reaching a just result. Whichever way that justice requires, they wont be intimidated from reaching the right result. Its such an alarming but important Point Andrew is making there, neal. The fact is, people like judge tanya chutkan, judge engoron, theyve become ...

Want to just look ahead here, because there are so many cases that we are waiting on, including the d. C. Circuit to rule on trumps claim of immunity any day now. So let me ask both of you, if they do rule against trump, which i think most legal experts are expecting them to do, but hes going to take it to the Supreme Court, where he expects that too. Let me start with you andrew, do you think the Supreme Court would take this up . Im trying to figure out the actions of what would happen here. I dont know that the Supreme Court will take it up. I used to think it was clear they would, but the ...

Needed to assure witnesses and jurors of their safety so that they can do their job and not be intimidated from reaching a just result. whichever way that justice requires, they won't be intimidated from reaching the right result. >> it's such an alarming but important point andrew is making there, neil. the fact is, people like judge tanya chutkan, judge engoron, they've become kind of household names as a lot of people involved in these trials and cases have been, that could be certainly the case with other witnesses. would they be facing this kind of harassment if not for him? is there any ...

Which i think most legal experts are expecting them to do, but he's going to take it to the supreme court, where he expects that to. let me start with you andrew, do you think the supreme court would take this up? i'm trying to figure out the actions of what would happen here. >> i don't know that the supreme court will take it up. i used to think it was clear they would, but the argument was so preposterous, this is really one where i think trump is trying to win the war but may lose the battle. and what i mean by that is this is all about delay rather than the merits of the case. so the thin...

Sophistication even at times, and timing of their attacks also this suggests they're picking their cues from donald trump. and their actions are consistent with the culture of intimidation that trump is deliberately trying to foster as he wages are up attributions campaign to recapture the white house. joining me now is our in-house law firm, we have -- the former acting u.s. solicitor general, andrew weissmann is the former general counsel of the fbi and a senior member of special counsel robert mueller's team. so andrew, let me start with you. because even though trump is not directly respon...