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You could read in jury reaction to the testimony, the direct testimony of the -- from the witnesses, the kids in the car and that -- and the defendant taking the stand himself? >> lawrence, the jurors were really raptly listening to dunn throughout his testimony. it was a struggle to figure out what they thought they were watching. i saw a juror shake her head in disgust. it was after the fiancee left that they basically turned on dunn. she contradicted a lot of what dunn said on the stand. >> the key point being that he in the testimony, it emerges that he never told the girlfriend that jorda...

Away. >> so this is an important point. this idea of the expectation of trust is that somehow -- so your point being, if this is an enemy of the state that poisons the water, we would immediately act in ways that we don't perceive industry, necessarily, as an enemy of the state. and we cannot presume that industry is an enemy of the people, but the work you do indicative of how frequently communities find themselves being asked to make a choice between their health, the health of their children, their longevity, and corporate profits. >> indeed. and i think going back to this issue of infrastr...

This idea of having to take a drug test is part of the fourth amendment to the constitution an illegal search and seizure. >> that's correct. the constitution only allows reasonable seizures. and if a search is done without suspicion and is blanket like the law in this case required, that's an unreasonable search. that's why it's a violation of the fourth amendment. >> dara, one of the things that scott likes to claim is the drug use among welfare recipients is much higher. but if you take a look at the statistics, that actually hasn't really borne itself out. 2.6% of florida welfare recipient...

Registrations might only be, you take 20% of that numbe are the people going to be affected by the taxes. my point being i don't think a lot of people are going to be affected by obamacare taxes because i don't think obamacare is going to be successful at all. people aren't signing up. look, i got a chance from blue cross blue shield to just extend my policy until next year. i know my daughter isn't even signing up for health care. the irs has no way to go out and garnish wages and collect that money. so you're going to get to the point where we have all these taxes and fees and i agree with t...

Point being in talking about the economy that the entertainment industry itself is really one of the bright spots in bringing our economy up here in this country. you can keep watching the president. go to cnn.com/live. welcome back to "the lead." great to be with you today. in world news, the pope is see you tomorrow. meantime, john berman in for declaring war on what he calls jake tapper. the idolatry of money. "the lead" starts now. in the first major written work of his papacy, pope francis is it's not really that bad out there if you're one of the guys attacking the disparities of fro...