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Ukrainian members of parliament calling russian peace talks a, quote, smoke screen, a point driven home by president zelenskyy. listen. >> translator: we have a negotiations process, but it's only words without anything concrete. for us, the support from the u.s. is essential. now it is particularly important to lend a shoulder to ukraine and to show the whole might of the democratic world. >> my next guest had led u.s. efforts in the region. i'm joined now by bill taylor. he was the u.s. ambassador to ukraine, and ellena farkus. thanks very much for joining us. what value is there in these

His russian -- will begin to test after a period of time, they will begin to test american resolve and the resolve of our allies, with us, and about helpful if secretary tillerson in russia next week can convince the russians that we are determined to, again the point driven home by ambassador to the united nations ni ckki haley. tillerson has to get the russians to understand that and, in turn, for the russians to lean on bashir al assad. >> tillerson has said in the past 24 hours there is something of a plan to remove president al assad. does the u.s. have the leverage