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About facebook driving harmful content toward children, aggravating misinformation through the ways that it amplifies and weaponizes untruths and harmful content, i think we will drive the dialogue and legislation forward. >> but sir -- >> it will take effort, there's no question. >> were you genuinely surprised, yes, we hadn't physically seen those documents, but any person in our personal life who comes over for dinner and tells us some absolutely dangerous crazy conspiracy theory almost always has gotten it from facebook. so it wasn't like anything she told us was shocking. we just saw it f...

We need action from congress. >> the question is what is that going to look like? let's bring in some experts, nbc capitol hill correspondent alley vitale, nbc's jacob ward who covers technology. cecilia wong, tech editor at "new york times," and kara swisher "new york times" contributor, co-host of the pivot podcast and host of the sway podcast. kara, everyone is saying this is a huge disaster for facebook. it's a nightmare, but is this anything more than a pr problem? let's review. user growth is up, advertisers aren't leaving, employees aren't leaving en masse, and as revolt and shocked and...

On right now with a lot of these issues. and even though mark zuckerberg has always said we want regulation, the fact of the matter is congress hasn't acted at all, so at this point facebook is just being facebook and people who are in charge of the government need to think about what are the various things they can do from data protection to figuring out how to deal with content moderation the correct way to making the system more transparent, and so it really is up to congress. it's absolutely true. >> and cecilia, is mark zuckerberg just playing a game of chicken saying all the right things...

Just one report but a series of reports that they hid and concealed and denied existed, and then they went on maximizing profit when they knew about the pain they were causing children and others and the disinformation they were spreading. so not surprised by what the study showed but that facebook had these thousands of pages of documents, yes, and here's one more point, stephanie, keep in mind. the s.e.c., securities and exchange commission, has claims from ms. haugen asking for an investigation. they should do it. there are significant pieces of evidence here, there's a picture of possible ...

Google, you're going to get all of these -- you're going to immediately go to websites that are fda approved websites saying this does nothing to help with covid. you do that same search in facebook, the first eight out of ten recommendations are, man, this is great to ward off covid. couldn't facebook do a whole lot to ward this off on their own? google does. >> absolutely. i think what struck me about zuckerberg's letter overnight is this idea that facebook has always been tremendously transparent, more transparent than other companies, he says. i think if you speak to the academics who have...