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Who makes the difficult decision to cooperate a witness. because in doing so, defense attorneys like me will surely point out to the jury that the government got hand in hand with the delve. th -- devil. they made a deal with someone who has admitted to being a criminal. the formula that prosecutors have to apply throughout the cooperation process is, they realize there's an acceptable amount of lack of credibility and lying we can take from this person, but if yaw continue to do so and they become someone who's so incredible that we can't use them anymore, prosecutors have to constantly balan...

I think at this point manafort's best chance of his family staying safe, which is something his lawyer specifically mentioned -- >> fascinating, yes. >> -- and him staying out of jail for, you know -- or being in jail for as little time as possible is to fully cooperate. >> well, geoff bennett, you're at the white house. you cover the white house. i got to put out rudy giuliani, on behalf of the trump legal team, put out two statements very quickly. let me put out what the first statement about the manafort deal said. here it is. let's read it in full. once again an investigation has concluded...

Now the lawyers are saying he can't get a fair trial around here and the judge criticized them. what do you want? we are not playing around. >> look, i think this judge is if there is a judge this manafort can get a fair trial this is the judge. not that you can't from other judges. but he is equal opportunity. he is going to be tough on both sides but fair to both sides. and juries follow judge's lead. and the judge is not going to tip the scale one way or another. he has a reputation for being quirky and eccentric. at this point manafort has done nothing to help himself in the eyes of the ju...

Is taking too long to reach him. now the lawyers are saying he can't get a fair trial around here and the judge criticized them. what do you want? we are not playing around. >> look, i think this judge is if there is a judge this manafort can get a fair trial this is the judge. not that you can't from other judges. but he is equal opportunity. he is going to be tough on both sides but fair to both sides. and juries follow judge's lead. and the judge is not going to tip the scale one way or another. he has a reputation for being quirky and eccentric. at this point manafort has done nothing to h...

Like michael kcohen and michael flynn were unimportant to the trump campaign. >> he was the campaign manager. sometimes the bar gets reset in this case people because are looking for what involves trump. the reality is the campaign manager is under indictment facing serious charges. it's what he does to distance himself. now mr. manafort is going to be spending some time in jail awaiting trial and i don't know him personally but he doesn't strike me as a kind of doing time personality. that may influence his decision on whether to cooperate. >> there was a point manafort