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Deliberately, talking about whether or not there were hards and oth pardons and opened with credibility. and just have to be cautious and can't take him at face value. >> is it once a liar, always a liar situation, frank? >> it's not if you can independently krieb rate statements and put them in proper context and get other people to support the statement. but who's telling the truth about who approached who first about the pardon, in my book it doesn't matter about the first approach, what matter is what the receptivity was and followup on the trump side. if indeed cohen made the first approa...

Trouble. he's highly motivated to get this right or he will spend more time in prison and incur the wrath of the southern district and he should not be doing that. >> yeah. joyce, what's your sense of the degree to which robert mueller's conclusions in whatever report he finally issues hinges on the things he learned from michael cohen? >> if it hinges on michael cohen's testimony, it won't be just michael cohen. for prosecutors to put together a case, they might use cohen for instance to narrate the story. or to give them leads about what to follow up on. but if keen's testimony is central to...