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Hearing for him? >> what he's saying is this was a kangaroo court that this agreement was settled in, and they didn't know about the arbitration. they had no idea about it. it's not going to hold up in court. it's ludicrous, as he puts it, ridiculous, and they're not going to let michael cohen get away with this. politically, i would tell you that this is a story that has been kind of on a slow boil for weeks, and now it's moved from side stage to center stage. and this is something that the president is not going to like because at some point push is going to come to shove here, and the presi...

Peace forever. >> katie: sips 1948 since israel became a country since the beginning. >> for them to say i don't want. this i'm sorry, if they were good stewards of the peace process i would respect their opinion a little bit more. they have really little to say in this matter. this president is only doing what he promised and what other presidents have promised. >> that is an interesting point push came to shove. they back down from the potential problems that it undoubtedly creates. other people say it could facilitate a peace process. by setting a time line and saying on this date we're mov...

Another reason. again if you're trying to impede an investigation about russian interference in your campaign, that's a federal crime. >> yes. >> comey -- what mueller is doing now. >> so many of them. >> there are. >> and the question on the national security side obviously. nothing anybody can really do tab. does the intelligence service, did the intelligence services at some point push back? and say, wait a minute. we're right here. >> they should. the problem is that you've seen pompeo be very cautious. head of the cia, cia director has been very cautious and speaking of the dni, dan coats...

This move of going to rod rosenstein at the justice department. if you're trying to impede an investigation about russian interference in your campaign that's a federal crime. what mueller is doing now -- >> then there's the question on the national security side obviously, do the intelligence services at some point push back and say, wait a minute, we're right here? >> they should. but the problem is you've seen pompeo be very cautious. he's been very cautious. frankly speaking, the dni, dan coates, he's also very quiet. so we don't really see them pushing back publicly at least defending the...

Issue twice. in the last time he gave in on it he said never again. so that is what is hanging over him. he has his base looking at him saying you gave in on this two times. it's now time to live up to your word. so he is kind of boxed in, in a way politically as well that he has to give this. i agree with charles. you can get the money a different way. i don't think they are going to compromise on that. >> bret: is the base just looking for the scalp of the rates, instead of the money? >> yes. >> bret: they want scalp of the rate? >> absolutely. no question. no question. yeah. i mean, because...