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Defend it and be kind of nice to have the russian system shut down russian aircraft move those systems in rapidly and defend point targets. that's what he is trying to do is shut down the resupply. there is an ability to do it. the s-300 has a slant range of 100 miles distance from washington to richmond virginia to contract and lock on 8 target simultaneously. easy system to operate. i have no idea why we are not pushing it always seems to be, jesse, we are one step behind on trying to help ukraine out. we keep talking about it but we are not doing anything about it. >> jesse: i can understan...

Strikes? >> we've got to separate out two things. number one, holding territory. but the people fighting for territory among isis aren't threats to new york. that is point targets that you can beat with air strikes if you have the right intelligence. over time, you're going to have to slowly eliminate safe haven so they don't have a place to germinate. yeah, air strikes are effective against terrorists. they're not effective against n insurgents who hold territory. >> we can grind these people down. do you think -- briefly, is that correct? and can the american political system deal with that?...

That's not going to bring long term solutions. >> do you think there's way to take out the brains of the operation in syria through air strikes? >> we've got to step right out two things. you need people on the ground to hold territory. the people fighting for territory aren't threats in new york. that's point targets that you can beat with air strikes if you have the right intelligence. over time you're going to have to slowly eliminate safe haven so the nerve centers don't have place to germinate. they're not effective against insurgents who hold territory. >> what phillip is saying patience...

Afghanistan in large part because mullah omar who was in charge of the taliban there, in charge of country, he wasn't helping out in handing over bin laden. now that bin laden is dead, mullah omar, wherever he is hiding has to be wondering whether the seals will be pounding on his door? >> i he probably is. you're talking about a different kettle of fish. afghanistan is counterinsurgency campaign where looking to hold swath of territory against a very well-entrenched adversary. fight in pakistan, we're looking for point targets, en10, 20, 30 people plotting against the united states. this isn'...