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Lift to the american public. >> well, and it's also -- matt brings up a great point, natasha. this is the first round of fact gathering behind doors. we're getting leaked tips from the depositions. there will be public hearings carried live on every network in which the person saying this will be saying it in front of america. and they're going to have to figure out what their story is before that happens. >> right. and they'll be saying it under oath and the democrats have already been moving very quickly on this investigation. there have already been almost a dozen interviews in the last mon...

Striking here, kyle, is like other state department employees, he was ordered to not testify by the state department. he was then subpoenaed. he did it. he is also the current chief of mission appointed by the trump administration to runte the embassy in kiev at this moment evenv as the white house puts t a statement calling him a radical bureaucrat. >> that's kwun of tone of the r things. some of these witnesses are serving in the role they're testifying about over the objection of thebo secretary of state and the existence of this cable that we've talked about points to the fact that the sta...

Point. there is a moment, your point about this sort of scrupulous collection of detail here. and we know this is someone who is trying to kind of paper this, as one says, when he was writing in text. in his testimony he says that john bolton is one of the people who basically a certain point where he raised concerns tells him to put into writing and send a personal cable to the secretary of state. >> yes. and taylor also says that, you know, bolton couldn't get on the right people's schedules to complain about what was going on, along with officials from other department agencies. he definite...

Corruption of this administration, of the total per version of american foreign policy, of kind of a level of self-dealing we've never seen before in american history, then you basically make it broad and have hearings almost up until the next election. >> that's a great point. what do you think, ned? >> yeah, i think that's right. look, i think the problem with the mueller report was it was 458 pages long and it covered a matter of years. look, the beauty, the brutal corrupt beauty of the ukraine saga is that it is a small window that started on july 25th. we are in mid october now, and the a...

Problem. >> right. >> the republicans have invested a lot in this president. they made a bargain with themselves. when they stood by him after charlottesville, that was the $100 million investment. they cannot step back at this point without making -- without underscoring the hollowness of the past three years. and i think that's something that would stick with them for quite a few more years. >> michele goldberg and ned price, thank you both. ahead, believe it or not, some democratic donors are complaining that out of the nearly 20 democratic contenders in the race they can't find the one t...