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You know, this is a course thing of the culture. what's so remarkable and what we're going to be dealing with for a long time is the fact that the person who in the office of which franklin roosevelt said, it is preeminently a place of moral leadership, that person himself is kind of the chief course ener, if that's the word at the moment. that's beyond -- that's almost a separate question from the legal question. mike mentioned his impeachment, the 25th amendment. the issue here is these are -- those are legal steps. you can't really impeach a president simply because you don't like him, you ...

The 25th amendment. the issue here is these are -- those are legal steps. you can't really impeach a president simply because you don't like him, you know, that you disagree with him. so, if there is to be that kind of step forward, it's going to be coming, i suspect, out of the russia investigation. and so it's what don rumsfeld would call at this point a known unknown. >> and, mike, you get the last lightning round question, serious question. how does the gop make that big tent argument now and say, we love you all, come one and come all to our party? >> the president of the united states ha...

It is preeminently a place of moral leadership, that person himself is kind of the chief coursener, if that's a word at the moment. that's beyond -- that's almost a separate question from the legal question. mike mentions impeachment, the 25th amendment. the issue here is these are -- those are legal steps. you can't really impeach a president simply because you don't like him, you know, that you disagree with him. so, if there is to be that kind of step forward, it's going to be coming, i suspect, out of the russia investigation. and so it's what don rumsfeld would call at this point a known ...