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Goes crazy and then he goes, well, we're not going to do this if we don't get the $6 trillion package. and then he had to walk that back. at some point a leader has to be willing to say to the members of his own party, particularly those that are not in the middle of this country, those who are on the extreme, you have to say, sorry, we're not going to go there. and the problem he has, cof course, some republicans, no matter what he does will not cooperate with him, but we're getting close to this infrastructure package, infrastructure as i know it. when they say soft infrastructure, that's a ...

But even more importantly you both believe that republicans would work with him. were you right or were you wrong? >> well, look, i mean, two things. first of all, the mood and the tone in our country's much better. i mean, people aren't waking up in the morning trying to figure out what the heck just happened down there in the white house. and that's been a really good positive. but i will tell you, don, i think joe biden is frankly afraid to offend the left wing of his party. and that stops it. you may have an infrastructure bill. the minute they negotiate an infrastructure bill the left goe...

"the washington post" is reporting that last week they promised as many as 70 players. this week now it got down to 10. >> at what point -- >> if they do the photo op then, then donald trump only had ten players show up. what a disaster p.r. wise. >> at some point a leader needs to look at himself and says what is wrong that so many people do not want to be in my do not want to come to a ceremony where i'm commemorating you. you can laugh, but this is not funny. >> by the way -- >> be a leader and show .and have a conversation with the president. >> the eagles didn't kneel all season. >> again...

Denver broncos who didn't go. tom brady and a number of people didn't go in 2017. what i'm saying is -- there were other presidents before that. nobody canceled it. they said those who want to come, come. >> but i think it's very clear it's more than one player. you're talking about instance where is you literally have to find who the one player was. >> i have a list of different players here. i'm trying to help you make your point here. "the washington post" is reporting that last week they promised as many as 70 players. this week now it got down to 10. >> at what point -- >> if they do the ...