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Totalarianism. the association has already conceded to all the governor's demands so this isn't about the state budget anymore. this is now about power. they have already agreed adverti fiscally to everything so the financial side is already about a done deal. this is now about collective bargaining. the governor does not want them to be able to bargain. >> very interesting pointf view. many people would argue the people in these unions, teachers unions are not paying anywhere near what people in the private sector are having to pay for health care. >> they're willing to pay. they've said they...

The coast guard estimates of 210,000 gallons a day are a minimum. do you agree? >> absolutely. i think there's been a substantial attempt to minimize this. i think it could be much larger. if you remember, at one time they were saying 1,000 barrels a day and that's completely unrealistic from from the pointf view of how many they had a day. >> the containment domes, as trace described it, it's like a massive concrete and wood coffee cup, upside down with a hole and a hose coming out of that. there they are. in theory they drop it over the leaking part and rather than let the oil go into the wa...