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Through chain migration. denouncing decent people, including some relatives of mine. we have every obligation to have a serious immigration policy. we are the only country that still does it this way on any large scale. i think some of the side about terrorism and all that is a bit of a red herring. it doesn't matter. we get to decide who gets to be a citizen, where they come from. >> bret: the legislation is a skilled faced points system. eliminates diversity visa lottery and limits refugees, offers permanent residency at 50,000 a year. this is going to be part of a daca deal. >> the intervie...

About this merit-based system as opposed to the diversity system, kind of an open lottery. wouldn't it be better to get people who have certain skills that we know would help our economy? >> you bet, david. we should have a merit system. a point scale with points awarded for being willing to work really, really hard or having advanced degrees and under my points system, people from mexico and china would get high scores. >> and rich, we know that this merit-based system works in other countries, we've seen it in australia and elsewhere. >> yeah, and canada. by the way, donald trump, before he ...

>> mark: president trump's crackdown on illegal immigration cranking out. new government data, 31% combined spike in removal orders and voluntary departures. compared to the same period last year. jim coincides with positive news for an immigration plan. according to a new poll by politico, 61% of voters support a proposed points system for potential legal immigrants. criteria such as english proficiency, work skills. i stumbled on the word proficiency.

Fix a broken legal immigration system that makes sure america gets the best and brightest from across the globe. >> mark: are you in favor of that? english-speaking, australian style points system? >> eboni: i think we have to watch some of the requirements. don't want to limit what could be otherwise bright and important talents that could have an economic benefit just because someone doesn't speak english. there could be more variations there. >> kat: i didn't speak english the moment i entered the united states. i was born here but i didn't speak it. >> mark: america didn't have a choice. i...

I very much spoke up against that. i don't think that's in our national security interest, i don't think that's the direction to go. immigration proposal that was put forward last week. i think it's fine to move to a points system, we did that in the bipartisan bill in the senate, but you can't cut immigration, legal immigration in half. and so i'll stand up against that. and the behavior in the white house as well. i mean, referring to our colleagues across the aisle as losers or clowns is just not the direction to go if we are going to solve the problems in a conservative way that we need to...