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This is kenny aman. he lives up the road. is there a time limit, or do they go until somebody gives up? >> i think they pretty much go until somebody gives up. when it gets -- >> a points system? >> no, no, there's no points system. basically when the other one turns around and runs away, that's the winner. a few times one bill will actually get around to the side and actually be able to flip the bull over. >> right. win or lose or survive? both? >> most of the times you'll have injuries but most the time the bulls go home. >> they go home to be happy. >> they do. >> nobody's turned into steak...

The highest being yokozuna. this is kenny aman. he lives up the road. is there a time limit or do they go until somebody gives up? >> i think they pretty much go until somebody gives up. when it gets -- >> a points system? >> no, no, there's no points system. basically when the other one turns around and runs away, that's the winner. few times one bull will actually get around to the side and actually be able to flip the bull over. >> right. win or lose or survive? both? >> most of the times you'll have injuries but most the time the bulls go home. >> they go home to be happy. >> they do. >> n...

Is there a time limit or do they go until somebody gives up? >> i think they pretty much go until somebody gives up. when it gets -- >> a points system? >> no, no, there's no points system. basically when the other one turns around and runs away, that's the winner. few times one bull will actually get around to the side and actually be able to flip the bull over. >> right. win or lose or survive? both? >> most of the times you'll have injuries but most the time the bulls go home. >> they go home to be happy. >> they do. >> nobody's turned into steaks or cutlets. >> no. >> toguyu started as ear...

Still structure opportunity. it wasn't a gift to those students. it was a recognition that those students that worked the hardest, that did the best coming out of those inferior schools deserve the same chance as their white counterparts that have so much more privilege to go there. >> but that's not true. the university of michigan when they had their points system, you -- if you are black, hispanic, or native american you were automatically awarded 20 points, and if you were of a lower socio-economic background, you could also earn 20 points, but you could only do one. you could only be awar...

Distinction right now is wealth and income. not race. >> all right. i want to pick up on another subject because interestingly enough -- and i should say the points system that ms. gratz talked about. the points system was taken out. the fact that the specific points for being a minority, that's what the supreme court struck down, although they said race could continue to be a consideration. the point didn't rule on this week, specifically, on affirmative action, but they ruled on the right of the state to ban affirmative action. it was really about the state's ability in this case through an ...