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But fred's toughness and coolness. i think he was a pretty cold guy too. i don't think there was a lot of warmth and love flowing. >> interesting because trump talks about how his dad was based out in queens and how he wanted to come to manhattan. i don't know if it's -- maybe it is too far to say it is a criticism but he does seem to point out he sort of came to an area his father never ventured. >> i think he wanted to one up him. so a kind of exceeding the dad thing that went on. even though fred was one of the richest men in america. his fortune was $200 million. so this is not a guy of no...

The handling of fiscal matters and it seems they are not really managing the white house very well on very important matters. i don't see this president leading. i'm concerned the most here, bob, about vladimir putin because he's been hostile. poke ing his finger in america's eye and sending ships there, threatening to put a shield up in syria. now he's offering defenses to iran and calling john kerry a liar. the russian reset didn't work out well either. >> that's true. you have to use all the options and try to take the paths. this is part of the price of politics. you pay politics with thes...