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Standing in the way. earlier today and yesterday two different former nato supreme allied commanders told us that they think the u.s. should be trying to help the polish government get these migs to ukraine. do you agree? >> well, jake, i believe we are sending a lot of aid, 17,000 anti-tank tools and i just was meeting with some more british colleagues. they announced another 3,600. i think we need to get more of those turkish drones that have been very effective. the question on the planes, i'd love to find a way to get the planes to the ukrainians. what i need to get the answer to, though, ...

Helicopter gunships. >> the pentagon saying they don't want escalation, they fear that delivering the mig's is going to lead to direct conflict but they are supplying the stingers and javelins. we are already involved in a proxy war. we are supporting the opposition with as many weapons as we can get to them. what is the difference between delivering these mig's from poland versus delivering javelins and stinger missiles? russian planes are being shot out of the air either way by u.s. weaponry. where is that line drawn? >> a big story the first to go weeks of the war is the state of the russia...

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